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Poster: garthus Date: Jul 31, 2009 7:40am
Forum: texts Subject: Complexity and stupidity

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Brewster,

I read all of these posts and while your reasons for eliminating ftp may be sound, the use of other plug ins which complicates the share button situation is not. I run basic versions of Debian at home for my workstation and do systems administration work during the day. I ran into a problem when the upload button change occured. Apparently some plugin is either missing or misconfigured and it does not work, I cannot upload from these linux machines.

Basic rule of complex systems is to not further complicate their functions. A simple share button pointing to the relevant uploading page is simple and functional. The current share button only creates potential problems for worldwide users and does not really add to the functionality. I have always designed all of my websites as simply as is possible. I do not use shockwave, flash or any of the "in" plugins because they do not really provide useful added functionality. There is a tendendcy amongst developers to use as many bells and whistles as is possible, reminds me of the playground altercations where "mine is bigger than yours" was popular. KISS was not meant to be a joke but increasing refers to ever more complicated systems which become that way because their creators forget about the end user. Looking nice is not equivalent to running good and optimizing functionality. Why one would take an already well functioning process and further complicate it by making the user go to another page and then decide whether they want to upload or correct existing items is beyond me. The old upload gave the option to change existing items right on the page for changing or adding item information. That is a much more optimal solution that the newer more complicated version which requires additional mouse clicks and page views in order to accomplish the same thing. http and ftp is a minor point compared to taking a well functioning system and screwing it up by trying to make it look better (not work better). Commercial software manufacturers have gone down this road, that is why we see the incessant market in so-called training people to use software. Software which appears to be purposely bloated, so as to make it difficult to use, and thus generate additional revenues for companies through training programs and manuals.

Please do not take a great idea, (the archive) and make it more difficult for volunters to upload information, in the name of making the process look better. Design has two major areas, aesthetics is not as important for open source software, but functionality is. I deal with this stuff everyday, The constant fight between the PR marketing types who constantly blather on about how the sight should look, while ignoring the functionality which is so important to the end user.

Gerry
garthus@lilrc.org

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Jul 31, 2009 11:12am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Complexity and stupidity

I agree about all the bells and whistles.

Some web site designers just compete with each other to get the most flashing complicated web pages possible, to put in their portfolio.

My ISP just made it possible to have my own id, part of getting everything into one place meant setting up that custom ID, then coming back, I had the choice of my email/ account number/custom ID so i chose what i always used, and now for ever and ever, i will be reading a note that I get improved access if i used my new custom ID, yet click on next, there id my ID.

BTW Gerry, I thought you had the answer to getting in again, all i read you saying is that you were frustrated with Brewster and you are not back in.

I just spent 45 minutes on the phone NZ to the USA to Paypal, the first 35 minutes, i had to keep repeating myself to an Asian accented call centre before I actually spoke to somebody in the USA, each transfer, there were 3, reduced the power on the phone line.

And you think you are frustrated? Try living in NZ, and not able to cope with Asian accents

Peter

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Jul 31, 2009 11:28am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Complexity and stupidity

KISS

"Keep It Simple Stupid" comes to mind.

Some volunteer has nothing better to do, but make out he is simplifying access to a web site by making it more complicated. Once he has fixed his perceived problem with the IA, he will use the fix to get himself a highly paid position elsewhere, such as the White House web site team.

I am going back to sleep, I might come back once things are fixed, I got no time to play games like the hackers and crackers.

Besides Gerry, your posting is based on everything I said about Flash and Java, which by the way, add security risk to everything you do on the WWW.

Its called catering to the lowest common denominator, the masses who are clueless about the WWW, the sort that are completely stuffed up if their multi button mouse runs away, I end up being called in, I am old enough to have used OSs prior to GUIs and mice.

Leave the bells and whistles for the masses that only ever download from the Archive, and leave our uploading user interface simple, for us, its just a tool towards adding content, just who wants all that chrome on a tool, that will get knocked around in use, chrome never made a sledge hammer any more useful.

I am sure Brewster agrees, and once we get his attention, he will get stuck in and give the IA web site designers a reboot up the backside.

BTW, its these same designers that also have the ability to hide our postings criticising them from being seen by Big Boss Brewser (Big Brother Brewster?) and do bad things to our accounts.

Have a day off Gerry.

Peter

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Poster: garthus Date: Jul 31, 2009 12:10pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Complexity and stupidity

Peter,

:) :) :) Before I got my first PHD; I Had a plumbing and electrical business. Sometimes I think designers do not function in the real world as compared to the delusionary world of the sheeple often catered to by the media. I would like to get as much up on the archive before by body programs terminate and these changes do not make that job easier. They should hire us, actually I make more than enough money and would be willing to do it for free; that is to set up a system that works optimally. When I get home I will fix the problem on my machines, it is just aggravating when I explain in detail what the problem really is. Of course if the actual code they used for the interface was easily accessible before the change, it would have never happened. I guess the same applies for full text working erratically, the online reader not displaying all of the pages, and the spellchecker working on and off.

In my previous lifes work, that is before I became a Systems Administrator, the kind of work which I did would lead to very severe consequences if a mistake like the above was made. I am still here and intact after 57 years so it is evident that I never mmade those types of mistakes. When I taught at the University I always drilled into the students heads the idea that the work one does is part of their existence and should be done as if their life depended on it. This would produce better work and less wasting of valuable human resources. In actuality most technolgies as they are implemented today by our brain dead government officials and so-called organizational leaders often wastes more human resources that they save.

I value my time and dislike wasting it on crap just because some brain dead person thinks it looks good to do something a certain way. Just wish that more people would get it!!!

Gerry

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Jul 31, 2009 2:17pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Complexity and stupidity

yes Gerry

You are right, everybody (web designers) do things thats best for themselves, I bet thats all they have ever done.

Like you, I have worked in a number of industries, and once you have that experience, only then do you understand what time means, but you get these kids whom have ever played computer games, building web sites, they just don't understand that other people have different motivation, I talk about works of art, well such things include effeicictant, and not until these kids have to do some real work do they know what efficient design is.

If they got paid a percentage of the time, that a plain no frills IA web interface saves US, you can bet that we would get things uploaded the day before we even begin thinking about it.

The sun is sort of coming up here, my solar is on full charge, but it damn freezing. it must be good night for you.

Peter

Just noted, its 15 C outside 11 C inside, in other words, I need more of my keep going medication now. WHO states 17 C is healthy and our weather forecasters have said the next 3 months there is going to be a lot of wind. Why not you me fix the weather, should be easier than fixing the IA. I want 19 C 24/7, low wind, we wont need wind power for heating with 19 C 24/7

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Poster: IndieMusic Invasion Date: Aug 12, 2009 9:50am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Complexity and stupidity

Honestly, does this new interface have to make FTP access impossible! It is very frustrating to expect a quick and easy FTP transaction and end up faced with a flash uploader for heavens sakes! Like the rest of you said, contributors don't care about a "pleasant" or "user-friendly" interface, they just want a clean and simple way to get their files on to the Archive.

If I can't get FTP I am not going to be looking forward to my next contribution. Uploading a short 3 minute mp3 locked my browser for a minute or so; I can't imagine what a 300+MB flac file is going to do.

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 12, 2009 10:30am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Complexity and stupidity

I don't know how it happened ,but for the fist time,a MP3 landed in my space ,and it's name was Cassidy,oui,oui,oui!!!

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 12, 2009 2:49pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Complexity and stupidity

The more simple it is about a computer,the better it is,for us,dimwits who understand nothing about it's specialists 's vocabulary . I was looking at my first time computer for months and could not get it clear what to do with . It was no fun at all ,and I about quit,leaving it alone on the shelf .To this very day,outside of going on Internet, I don't comprehend much about the rest of it .The words used are the problem,it's like going to Stanford to hear a math genius while in real life,we mostly need to know to pay the bills and keep track about witch day it is .They are probably billions of people with decent to fair intelligence who can't get it any clearer than I.so YOU have to learn HOW to teach us so it becomes all so clear .

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Poster: garthus Date: Aug 12, 2009 4:44pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Complexity and stupidity

Skies,

Please understand that the real dimwits are the developers who purposely obfuscate their work in order to overly complicate the process. Makes them feel superior; when in reality the superior person is the one who designs systems which everyone can use. The technology was meant to make life easier so we can concentrate on doing the job at hand. Instead these marching morons have succeeded in creating systems which are increasingly making all of our jobs not only more difficult; but less pleasant. It is not your fault that the hardware and software are difficult to comprhend; it is the fault of designers and developers who have forgotten their mission. To optimioze our on-line experince; not pretty it up with bells and whistles which do little more than a medical system which prescribes drugs to counteract symptoms instead of addressing what the causes of the illness are.

Gerry

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Poster: garthus Date: Aug 12, 2009 4:44pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Complexity and stupidity

Skies,

Please understand that the real dimwits are the developers who purposely obfuscate their work in order to overly complicate the process. Makes them feel superior; when in reality the superior person is the one who designs systems which everyone can use. The technology was meant to make life easier so we can concentrate on doing the job at hand. Instead these marching morons have succeeded in creating systems which are increasingly making all of our jobs not only more difficult; but less pleasant. It is not your fault that the hardware and software are difficult to comprhend; it is the fault of designers and developers who have forgotten their mission. To optimioze our on-line experince; not pretty it up with bells and whistles which do little more than a medical system which prescribes drugs to counteract symptoms instead of addressing what the causes of the illness are.

Gerry